Please Help me Understand
I just don't get it. Why do people care more about the way others are dressed, and less about the way people act?
My sons are in the Yeshiva summer camp. Yesterday, I received a notice that the Rabbi from Telshe was going to speak to the whole camp today, and would we please dress our boys in white shirts for the occasion. It's very nice that they are trying to show respect to a great Rav, but why have the other parents not received a note that there are new children in the building, and to please show kindness and welcome them?
Yesterday, my Middlest, (on his way to the peeing story) was complaining that nobody is nice to him in his bunk. My oldest remarked, "What do you want? This isn't Akiva!"
Here's another tidbit: Air's youngest sister, of friendship bracelet fame, went to an Israeli Bais Yaakov camp for the summer. Out of pure boredom, I read through her list of supplies and rules. Interestingly, they requested that all swimwear and sleepwear be "Tzniusdik." They also said that all shirtsleeves must cover the elbow, skirts well below the knee, and knee socks must be worn. The letter made it perfectly clear that, if all these guidelines are met, the girls will have an uplifting summer filled with Torah and personal growth.
No where did it say that Lashon Hara, teasing, bullying, or other general cattiness will be strictly forbidden. Go figure....
My sons are in the Yeshiva summer camp. Yesterday, I received a notice that the Rabbi from Telshe was going to speak to the whole camp today, and would we please dress our boys in white shirts for the occasion. It's very nice that they are trying to show respect to a great Rav, but why have the other parents not received a note that there are new children in the building, and to please show kindness and welcome them?
Yesterday, my Middlest, (on his way to the peeing story) was complaining that nobody is nice to him in his bunk. My oldest remarked, "What do you want? This isn't Akiva!"
Here's another tidbit: Air's youngest sister, of friendship bracelet fame, went to an Israeli Bais Yaakov camp for the summer. Out of pure boredom, I read through her list of supplies and rules. Interestingly, they requested that all swimwear and sleepwear be "Tzniusdik." They also said that all shirtsleeves must cover the elbow, skirts well below the knee, and knee socks must be worn. The letter made it perfectly clear that, if all these guidelines are met, the girls will have an uplifting summer filled with Torah and personal growth.
No where did it say that Lashon Hara, teasing, bullying, or other general cattiness will be strictly forbidden. Go figure....
posted by Veev at 1:50 PM
16 Comments:
i hear victoria secrets is starting a tzneeus line
I'm not at all trying to be argumentative, but why did you choose that day camp?
It's six weeks of fun, fun, fun!
Amshi: you're right. I think Shifra posted a link to the site a while back
Gebrec,
I hear what you're saying. But our school does emphasize Midot Tovot by honoring those who do random acts of Chesed. And it is always upon the teachers to make the new students feel welcome by setting up a buddy system within the classroom.
because to be nice is something implied, it also doesnt say that you can't kill any of your bunkmates. One's Tznius level varies depending on their background. As far as someone being mean to ephrahim, lemme at em,
No need to go figure... You know where their priorities lay; in the superficial.
-OC
Not that I am there to see what's going on right now...but hello...kids are mean. it has nothing to do with what school you are in, or where you grew up. You have to fight to be accepted everywhere! Yes, in the Yeshiva there are many many rules about derech eretz, and interpersonal relationships, but like all kids... cool is what matters and until you can prove that the teachers can't make you be nice to someone...
I thnk veev is right.
In akiva, the kids are always nice to everyone. No one ever comes home upset because they were teased or beaten up. Lashon Hara never is said and the kids all dress tzniusly. Nothng has ever been stolen in Akiva. They don't even need to send home letters requesting that the children don't lie, talk lashon hara or steal because the children who go there don't know what that is. It must be because they have boys and girls in the same school.
That bad yeshiva should just be burnt down.
Or maybe you forgot to write about the things that go on in their regular school.
Are you trying to start with me? OK, here it is:
You're right. Now, shut up :)
that is snappy.
I would never start with you veev.
blah, blah, blah.
same old chick kvetches: why are we so into superficial stuff, when its whats on the inside that counts?
blah, blah, blah.
for one, veev, these camps have to work on dress because some of the parents take their kids to family beaches where people of all shapes and sizes are in all states of undress -- highly inappropriate for a jewish child.
here you cover your hair and then go to a beach with nearly naked people cavorting about? talk about hypocrisy.
being nice is a general requirement; hell, nazis were technically 'nice' and well-mannered. jews distinguish themselves by their specifically jewish conduct and comportment. you could win the nobel peace prize, but if you dont keep shabbos etc, it is preferable to include a sleazebag orthodox in a minyan.
i mean, every summer there are new kids in the building, but how often does the telzer rabbi roll into the d? maybe that is why.
of course, i would never excuse anybody's rude and obnoxious behavior.
veev check out http://jewishissues.blogspot.com/ he's ranting on the same topic.
"here you cover your hair and then go to a beach with nearly naked people cavorting about? talk about hypocrisy."
Aside from the lack of proper grammar usage, I also take issue with being called a "hypocrite."
I have always tried to be truthful, never faked anything, and teach my children to do the same. I don't believe that taking my kids to the beach is any sign of hypocrisy. They are in the world, they know there are Goyim in it, and mostly this kind of outing brings home the separation between us and them.
Although these people wore beachwear, never once did I comprimise my own Tzniut at the beach; I believe that I should be as covered up there as I am in my house, in college, while I'm teaching, and in Shul. There is no difference to me.
That is how I show that I'm no hypocrite.
hey, veev.
dont like it when the hypocrite shoe is on the other foot. its not just the frummies, is it.
great.
so you expose your kids to all kinds of pritzus in order that they should not be tempted by pritzus.
and you think there is no problem with your husband and/or son/s seeing mostly naked women cavorting about.
r-i-g-h-t.
do me a favor.
give me a break.
that cant be right.
you have the typical modern orthodox blindness to religious issues.
but i love you anyway.
You do? I have an "anonymous" admirer who thinks I'm a hypocrite and that I am a typical Modern Orthodox Jew who is blind to religious issues?
Wow, you need to work on your standards!
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